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《Dr. Broudy》So the idea is that this perception, this impression of real time
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omnipresent surveillance motivates the inmates to be on their best behavior.
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This, for example, from 2014,
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as the EU envisioned the implementation of these new technologies.
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Here you have in yellow you can see genetically enhanced humans,
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transhumanism and the enhanced mankind, artificially enhanced
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the technological singularity.
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In 2022, we saw an executive order coming out of President Biden's White House.
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And this I thought was quite interesting.
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A section of the order,
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Genetic engineering technologies techniques we need to pursue these to be able to write circuitry
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for cells and predictably program biology
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in the same way in which we write software and program computers,
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quote, more concentrated, unscrupulous, repressive
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and militaristic control by a big business, big government partnership
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that would preserve the privileges of the ultra rich,
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the corporate overseers and the brass, and the military and civilian order.
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《Interviewer》Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
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My name is Vance Evermonde, and I am honored
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to be your host today on Kla.TV, the media network.
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We have an important discussion ahead,
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one that delves into the intersections of technology,
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human autonomy,
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and the future of society.
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Today, we will be exploring the themes
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of the research paper,
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Cyborgs Are Us,
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the Bio-Nano-Panopticon of Injected Bodies,
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co-authored
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by Dr. Valerie Keary and
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Dr. Daniel Broudy.
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This work critically examines
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the integration of bio-nano technology
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into human bodies
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and its implications for surveillance,
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control and personal sovereignty
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in the digital age.
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To help us navigate this complex and thought provoking topic,
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I am privileged to introduce Dr. Daniel Broudy,
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Professor of Applied Linguistics
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at Okinawa Christian University in Japan.
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With a deep background
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in language, media analysis, and critical theory,
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Dr. Broudy brings a unique perspective
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on the ways power structures
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use language and technology to shape public perception.
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The questions I will pose today
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are designed to provoke deeper thought
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and foster awareness
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about the key issues raised in Cyborgs Are Us.
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They will encourage critical discussions
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on technological ethics,
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societal impacts,
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and the balance between innovation and Human Rights.
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So without further ado,
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Dr. Broudy,
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could you begin by introducing yourself
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and sharing what motivated you
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to co-author this research paper?
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《Dr. Broudy》Thank you, Vance, so much for the invitation to come and talk
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and to go over the details that we've been
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trying to explore over the past four or five years.
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So I appreciate the invitation
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and also appreciate the questions.
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They're really good questions and I
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would like to, I had to take note
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because they're very
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complex answers to the questions.
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So my background is in psycholinguistics,
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but my research area has broadened over the past 20 years
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and intersected with cognitive linguistics
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and neurolinguistics.
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I'm really interested in how language,
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signs, symbols, colors, sounds,
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image, how they're all used in the media landscape
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to
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influence our perceptions and our emotions of the world around us.
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So my research has raised more questions about
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the differences between the mediated world and the empirical world.
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And it seems to me that more and more,
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especially over the past 20 years,
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at least since 9-11,
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the mediated world has
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become increasingly more powerful
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over our perceptions of reality
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as we're urged
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as citizens to pay
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more and more attention to the mediation
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of the world through the increasing number of screens.
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So I've been in Japan doing this work.
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I originally came here about 30 years ago.
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I was teaching in Korea
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for a couple of years and before that,
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I was in the military for about seven years, doing imagery analysis.
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So a lot of my professional experience when I was in the military
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has been very helpful in seeing patterns
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in the analysis that I do in language and media.
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So that's just, I guess, a brief introduction.
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《Interviewer》Great.
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Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Broudy.
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So my first question
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will be this one:
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What ethical considerations arise
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from integrating bio-nanotechnology into human bodies,
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particularly through medical interventions
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like mRNA vaccines?
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《Dr. Broudy》I think this is a great question.
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The term, first of all,
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maybe we can just talk briefly about the question itself
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and the term intervention.
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I really think this is an interesting way
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to frame a discussion because
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the term intervention,
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to me, it kind of frames a kind of assault.
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The connotation suggests helplessness
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of the object to the intervention
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or a kind of self-justified interference or intrusion
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against the target.
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I imagine, for example,
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a drug addict, for example,
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whose family
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sees it necessary to intervene
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in this person's life and
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carry out some sort of intrusion that will, you know,
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that will help this addict
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to recover some normalcy.
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And also, if you think of the past,
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you know, when so-called "humanitarian interventions", quote-unquote, you know,
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were carried out in various African nations,
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yeah, these
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precipitated any number of preemptive attacks.
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The term itself, it reminded me of
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Celia Farber's
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pretty famous essay, I imagine still,
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the 1989 essay in Spin magazine about
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the intervention
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that was leveled against dying AIDS patients
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in this very poisonous AZT drug
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that had been
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abandoned for cancer patients
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was sort of repurposed for,
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you know, see how it would work on AIDS patients.
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So, you know, the term itself, intervention is really interesting.
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And when I think about nanotechnology,
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you know, nanotechnology interventions,
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I think they can be understood in a very similar light.
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It seems to me that no one in power likely knows conclusively,
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whether the integration
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of nanotechnology with flesh and blood
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is actually safe.
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many, many years ago, decades ago,
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Antionetta Gatti and Stefano Montanari
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pioneered the area of
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nanopathology.
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So, I think if we really want to,
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see the latest research on
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these integrations of nanotechnology,
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we have to look at the work that they've been doing for many years now.
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You know, as any good scientist,
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Antionetta and Stefano ask the kinds of questions that
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seems to me aren't being asked
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today by so-called scientists.
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You know, the question of whether nanotechnology is something
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that is actually safe
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to be integrated with human bodies.
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Is it okay, you know, to use these technologies?
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And, you know, if so, what are the effects?
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what are some of the effects we would expect to see on human health?
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Any ethical considerations about their uses,
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it seems to me have been
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sort of hastily reduced to
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considerations about their potential profits for investors.
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has translated into lots and lots of casualties.
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You know, everyone talks about the lipid nanoparticle, right?
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people studying microscopy, doing microscopy studies, say that there are trillions
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of these lipid nanoparticles on the loose in bodies,
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billions of people all around the world.
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So my question would be, why hasn't, you know, mainstream media,
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why haven't they done any stories of excess deaths, for example,
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in the wake of the,
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of the campaign, the initial campaigns,
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injection campaigns?
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this is just some of my thoughts about these quote unquote interventions.
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《Interviewer》Sure. Thank you, Dr. Broudy.
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So the following question is
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about how does the concept
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of the bio-nano panopticon reflect
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the potential for technological surveillance
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within our biological systems?
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《Dr. Broudy》Well, this is Bentham's
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18th century idea, right?
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About social theory idea about
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prisons and
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how to rehabilitate or incarcerate.
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actually, you know, quite important today.
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a prison in which inmates,
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they don't know if or when they're being surveilled, being watched.
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this perception, this impression of real time
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omnipresent surveillance motivates the inmates,
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to be on their best behavior.
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You know, where have we heard that before?
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Very, very recently, within the past few weeks.
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This is precisely what we're hearing. You know,
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the technocrats talking, technocrats and their minions talking about today.
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I prepared a slide, if you'd like me to
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share some of the details of what this might look like.
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I believe this is from a paper from 2015
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on the Internet of Bionano things.
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This is a figure that is quite interesting.
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that the components
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of the Internet of Bionano things is comprised
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of nano-nodes, nano-routers,
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nano-micro-interface devices,
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bio-cyber-interfaces, gateways, and application-specific servers.
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I guess what we're seeing here, it's difficult to see from the text alone, but,
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the idea is that
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bodies, blood, and brains
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will serve as media
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they'll serve as media to,
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it's hard to conceptualize, the body as a,
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maybe as a, as the architecture,
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for connectivity.
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in this slide, so you can see
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how sort of nano, micro, and macro scale devices
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will perform various tasks such as
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data sensing, transmission, and computation.
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if you thought of your laptop or your smartphone,
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the IOBNT, the Internet of Bio-Nano Things, is comprised of
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various components that carry out
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a range of similar tasks.
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you can imagine your flesh and blood are now
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form part of the, you know, integrated circuits in the,
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the global central nervous system.
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devices here.
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《Interviewer》Okay. Very good. Thank you very much, very impressive, actually.
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what are the implications
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of such technologies on personal privacy
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and bodily autonomy?
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《Dr. Broudy》It seems to me that because bodies and brains
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will be connected to the Internet
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in real time.
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Privacy and bodily autonomy
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will disappear.
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In the United States,
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you know, there's the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution that limits
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and prohibits the government from conducting unwarranted
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searches and seizures.
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Well, these new technologies leave citizens exposed to intrusion,
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not just of
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house and home, but the biological housing
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of your soul, your mind.
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it does seem quite absurd, even the slides that I've shown you from these scholarly papers.
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If it does seem like science fiction, you know, consider the extent to which,
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say, the technologies have already been well established
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some of the evidence in policies.
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the implementation of these new technologies.
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interesting sections in here.
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genetically enhanced humans, transhumanism,
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and the enhanced mankind, artificially enhanced,
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my cursor?
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《Interviewer》Yes, yes, I do. And...
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《Dr. Broudy》Yeah, the NBIC.
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So, you know, keep in mind, this is 2014.
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what seems to be,
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the call for
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these technological interventions
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in the name of securing peace
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and security or peace and safety.
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put me in mind of a passage in
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the New Testament, the Thessalonians,
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"for when they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction will come upon them".
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many calls for peace and safety or peace and security
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as a, it seems like
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a pretext for many kinds of interventions, of course.
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We have the technological or the technocratic interventions here.
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In 2022, we saw an executive order coming out of
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President Biden's White House.
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A section of the order,
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"Genetic engineering technologies
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techniques we need to pursue these to be able to write circuitry
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for cells and predictably program biology
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in the same way in which we write software and program computers".
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It seems to me that this is just
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more of the same
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conceptualizing
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the body as a machine, very reductive thinking about
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dynamic, complex biological processes
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and how human beings tend to oversimplify and use these.
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I think on one hand very good metaphors, but
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they're misleading metaphors, too.
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Every, so many people think of, you know,
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biological mechanisms as machinery.
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It's useful on one hand, but
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not at all on the other.
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And then you have in Canada,
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the exploration,
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the policy positions exploring biodigital convergence, which
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the head of the World Economic Forum has been talking about for some time.
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The integration of the digital identity and the biological identity, et cetera.
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and policies.
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the EU that spent a billion,
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a billion euro, I believe,
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on nanotechnology, graphene, and then
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the UK's human augmentation, the dawn of a new paradigm.
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So lots of really interesting transhumanist interventions.
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《Interviewer》So now, my following question is,
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in what ways might
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bio nanotechnology alter the relationship
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between individuals and governing bodies or corporations?
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《Dr. Broudy》I would say the distinction between,
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if I understand your question correctly,
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the distinction between
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governing bodies and corporations.
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So governing bodies would be like governments,
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I imagine.
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I think you can argue it is effectively erased.
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Was it Mussolini who said that, you know,
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fascism is the marriage of industry and state?
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Yeah, Bertram Gross actually covered this really beautifully
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in 1980 in his book,
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"Friendly Fascism".
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And he warned about a new form of fascism germinating
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in the world, you know, the post World War II
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world, which kind of
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is, you know, dressed up and fancy
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and comes to you with a wink and a smile and, you know,
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promise of peace and security and
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speed and efficiency.
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Everything, everyone wants in a world where,
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we're pressed into service and nine-to-five jobs and
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how, you know, what's life all about?
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We're asking these questions about what is life about?
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So, Bertram Gross talked about this at great length.
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It's a brilliant book. I would highly recommend it,
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Friendly Fascism.
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So, he's writing about,
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the really sophisticated systems of information collection and
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kind of like emerging forms of remote electronic surveillance.
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And it's amazing that he saw this,
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you know, in the 1970s.
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He produced this book.
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And one of his observations is, particularly prescient today,
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is a kind of beguiling sort of fascism has arisen.
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And I want to get the quote just right.
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And, "more concentrated,
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unscrupulous, repressive
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and militaristic control
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by a big business - big government partnership,
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that would preserve the privileges of the ultra rich,
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the corporate overseers and the brass in the military and civilian order".
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Now, if that's not, an image of
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what we see today you know in these public private partnerships and
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the rise of all these global forums
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of unelected people making decisions for
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citizens, human beings,
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I don't know what is, I mean it's a brilliant description there.
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And you know it certainly appears I would say
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we're now witnessing a new form of technocratic order
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taking seats of power and authority.
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So the relationship between new classes of citizens, or subjects
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we can say, will essentially be
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a relationship of master and servant.
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And it seems a lot of people
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don't want to
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or can't see this like tidal wave
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of technocratic control coming
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which is I think part of the
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the problem that we all face is that
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how do you...,
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how do you help people coax them
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into
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seeing what's unfolding around them.
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To look away from their smartphones or
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you know from the one screen or another screen
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and awaken people to
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what's unfolding.
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Big, big problem.
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《Interviewer》Could...,
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the integration of these technologies exacerbate
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existing inequalities in healthcare access
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or create new form of societal stratification?
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《Dr. Broudy》I think you can get a pretty nice sense of
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stratification, social stratification
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if you look back at the Proteus documents
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that came out in
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the mid-2000s, I think 2007, 2008,
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and the goal of the Proteus project was to offer
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this kind of like expert commentary
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that will help
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strategic and high level decision makers and
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planners and analysts with
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kind of like, I think
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they say like out-of-the-box or like outside-the-box considerations
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for analysis of national
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military intelligence issues.
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And this was within what was called the
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Joint, Inter-agency, Inter-governmental, and Multinational environment.
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Nice acronym, JIIM.
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What was envisioned in Proteus were ESIs,
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which were people
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who would one day populate the world.
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Exceedingly,
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exceedingly high-functioning people,
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ESIs.
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So you can see
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the new concept of social strata
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in the names that are given to people,
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to classes of people like the "tweaked",
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the "freaked", and the "geeked.
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Should I expand?
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《Interviewer》Yes, if it is possible, because I'm not sure
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our audience is familiar with this.
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《Dr. Broudy》So, the tweaked are,
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the tweaked's abilities,
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they come from the integration of singularity technologies
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with individuals' biological systems.
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So you have like biofeedback and virtual reality.
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Also, people achieve like
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exceptional mental states.
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《Interviewer》It's incredible, incredible.
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《Dr. Broudy》Yeah,
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you have like this will be, so the tweaked will be,
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the category of the tweaked will be offered to like a select
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number, a select group
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of people.
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They'll have like access to
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quote -unquote "longevity technologies",
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and they'll be able to leverage the advantages to
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live for decades longer
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than ordinary.
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it's envisioned that the tweaked will comprise sort of like the mainstream
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ESIs, those who,
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will benefit most from these broad
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front of technologies.
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And then you've got the freaked.
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These are like quote -unquote "new creations",
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you know, cyborgs or,
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humans with significant mechanized parts.
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from the 70's, the Six Million Dollar Man.
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《Interviewer》Yeah.
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《Dr. Broudy》You remember that show?
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《Interviewer》Yeah, I remember that was a,
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I remember it was a series,
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an episode. I was...
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I'm old enough to remember.
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《Dr. Broudy》Yes, I Remember that too.
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So, yeah, this
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this category reminded me of, like, Steve Austin,
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man barely alive, but we can rebuild him, right?
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So AI-guided robots, clones
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designed for single functions,
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group minds operating through open source
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mental systems via embedded quantum chips.
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will be seen as, like, kind of the outliers of the singularity.
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And then you've got the last category,
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which are the geeked,
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and these are individuals who are probably on the lower strata.
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They're unenhanced individuals
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who depend upon, like, wearables.
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You know, external devices.
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I suppose you can put a lot of people today in this category, you know,
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we're a bunch of geeks walking around with our mobile phones,
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and we have to use these to achieve a kind of competitive edge
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in this future
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global society.
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We'll have some access to supercomputing
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and control of
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virtual worlds leveraged into real-world advantage.
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And...
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《Interviewer》Yes, you continue, Dr. Broudy.
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《Dr. Broudy》And so, yeah,
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so it's observed back, even back in 2007, 2008, that
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the geeked are essentially already with us.
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You know, they're in high-tech industry.
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So, like, many of the abilities that's been observed
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that we owe to technology
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would probably have been considered magic.
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《Interviewer》I was just wondering, like,
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how the first category that you mentioned earlier.
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You know, how the people will be selected, would it be,
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if you have money, you can
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you can apply for having all this enhancement, or
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the people will be chosen
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who will be in the first category of the three you mentioned?
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《Dr. Broudy》That's a great question.
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It seems to me that we're already, self-selecting.
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I mean that, for example,
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in some parts of Europe, some countries in Europe,
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from reports that I've heard,
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some especially young people
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are already lining up for their,
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you know, for their...
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excuse me, for their freak, or their tweak.
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And they want to be integrated, for example, with
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new chips that will, you know, connect them to the
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financial services.
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《Interviewer》So, these
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three categories that you mentioned will be the servant, right?
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Not the, you know, the masters are above them.
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You know, the three that you mentioned
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would be considered the servant of the, what we call the crypto rulers.
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《Dr. Broudy》That's what it seems to be,
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that appears to be.
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Yeah, so some servants will have
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exceptionally high ability.
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I suppose
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one way that you can think about it is
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the new films that have been exceptionally
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popular over the past, at least 10 years,
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Avengers and
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super, the superhero genre,
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where you begin to see almost a cultural conditioning
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of upgraded entities.
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Yeah, so, what I'm talking about,
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it seems so...
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it seems so science fiction.
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So, incredibly absurd,
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but,
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it's there in the literature.
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《Interviewer》Dr. Broudy, where
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can our audience find your work?
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Like, if they want to know more,
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where, you know,
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can you give them some information about where they can find your work?
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《Dr. Broudy》Well, I'm a co-editor for a journal,
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Propaganda in Focus.
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Some of the articles that, over the past
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few years, focused mostly on COVID issues,
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Transhumanism, you can find them there.
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It's an interdisciplinary journal.
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Lots of really interesting contributors to the journal.
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Not just in transhumanism, but,
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issues that of public import,
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where people
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write about
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all sorts of forms and practices and techniques of propagandizing.
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So,
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probably Propaganda in Focus would be
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a good resource.
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The other,
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I suppose, a bibliography
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on ResearchGate.
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Some of the selections of research that I've done and published
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can be found on
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ResearchGate.
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《Interviewer》Really, I would like to say thank you very much,
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Dr. Broudy.
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It's very, very, very informative and very fascinating research.
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Are you working on a future project,
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a research project, at this time?
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《Dr. Broudy》I'm working on a book with my collaborators in this area.
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We've been bouncing around a few titles.
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I think we're near titling the new book.
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It's a collection of previous essays and new material
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that I think will be very surprising.
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Very, yeah, very surprising.
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We've been doing a deep dive on
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the white papers, especially, that have been published.
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We expect sometime in the autumn to have it out.
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Most of it's written. It needs to be edited.
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So, yeah, we'll have that out,
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hopefully, in the autumn.
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《Interviewer》Very good. Very good.
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I wish you good luck, Dr. Broudy. Thank you so much.
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《Dr. Broudy》Thank you.
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Have a nice day.
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《Interviewer》You too. You too.