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《Del Bigtree》You know, we're talking about someone who has his own laboratory, a pathologist
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that is, you know, he's been on this looking at it. Dr. Ryan Cole joins me now.
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I saw you speak recently, and I don't want to put words in your mouth,
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but when we look at all these nurses and doctors
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walking away from this vaccine, do you think I'm right?
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Is that because they just have read the science or they see something they've never seen before
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with the dire outcomes that we're watching on Facebook and YouTube and happening all around the world?
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《Ryan Cole》Well, thank you, Del. I think it's a little bit of both.
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And that was a brilliant segment that
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a lot of us have been looking at, just like you for over a year predicting that this might be coming.
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And I think a very important point that you bring up.
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Not only are they talking about boosters,
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but it's the wrong booster.
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They're still trying to boost you for a Wuhan spike, and we're on to Delta.
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By the time they formulate and get a Delta shot out will be on to
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"mu" or "zeta" onto [...] alphabet, Who knows.
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So you can't play whackamole with this, especially when we're seeing those binding antibodies
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that are non neutralizing.
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So I think my fellow colleagues in medicine,
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I'm former military;
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I got plenty of shots from Uncle Sam back in the day.
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I'm not antivaccine, but I am very pro informed consent.
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And as a scientist, I'm gravely concerned
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the equivalent right now in my mind is saying to
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the health healthcare workers,
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flu seasons coming, we want everybody to get a flu shot.
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By the way, we have some leftover flu vaccines in the freezer from four or five years ago.
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Nobody would take that. That's the equivalent right now saying we're going to
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boost you and give you some more of those binding non neutralizing antibodies;
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because we've got a bunch of this leftover vaccine
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with that spike in it. And we're really onto this bike.
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And the Delta variant literally has escaped the vaccine.
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And we need to be science typically honest about it and say, okay,
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we can no longer manage
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a pandemic with shots.
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We need to focus on early, effective, safe treatments
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and save lives that way, because
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if you have a good antibody and antibody is forever
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great, say, you have a measles antibody.
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Grandma had measles, and now she has an antibody 80 years later. Wonderful.
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But if you have a bad antibody, that's forever as well,
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and now again, you could potentially be a ticking time bomb.
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And I think you spelled that out brilliantly.
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《Del Bigtree》Now, before we get started, you're sort of new to our audience.
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So, what is your background that you're bringing to this, your specialty,
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that you think that I've seen you give talks about this vaccine
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just for an understanding of where your perspective is coming from. What is your background?
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《Ryan Cole》Certainly. I'm a board certified pathologist. I'm trained in anatomic pathology,
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clinical pathology, dermatopathology.
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And I did PhD research in immunology as well.
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So part of that clinical pathology background is Virology.
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I trained at the Mayo Clinic. I was chief fellow
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there in my surgical pathology years, I run a large independent medical laboratory,
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one of the largest in the state of Idaho.
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I serve clients and patients all around the country;
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and all day long, I'm looking at
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tissues, is examining blood reports,
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doing microbiology, doing molecular biology.
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I'm a pathologist. I do the hardcore science, and I do the diagnostics.
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《Del Bigtree》So take me through what you've been looking at
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because I think that you have a view on this that is
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clearer than most and really up close and personal
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with what's happening inside the cells of the body.
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inside the... When you've looked in,
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what are the events that you're seeing and we should be thinking about?
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《Ryan Cole》Well, I think it's primarily important to remember
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that Covid is a clotting disease, like you pointed out in that segment.
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Covid is a clotting disease. Number 1, it's clotting disease.
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Number 2, it's clotting disease. Number 3, it's a clotting disease.
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And so as we approach treatment,
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as we look at the patterns
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in some of the tissue biopsies, even from the vaccine reactions, what we see as clots.
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When I have more autopsy tissues
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coming in from around the country after I gave that talk that you saw.
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So now we're getting an opportunity to see some of those changes,
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both in the post Covid patient, but also interestingly and very importantly;
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in the post vaccine injured patients
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and all the post vaccine deceased patients.
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So when one gets these injections,
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you can look at a blood marker called a D-dimer.
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You can't see these clots on a scan or an Xray.
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But if we do some blood tests,
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this D-dimer gives an indication that there's a micro clotting happening all throughout the body,
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So blood reports and blood patterns in the laboratory.
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And I'm working with a project right now on
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pre-vaccinated and then following these patients.
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I've seen in several patients. How long this micro clot marker in the blood,
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this D-dimer stays elevated.
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There's one clinician who reported 62% of his patients after the vaccine had elevated D-dimer.
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So it's highly concerning that we're using a shot,
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obviously, it's experimental.
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And these genetic vaccines, as much as
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science may have thought, hey, we can stop this. We have a good idea.
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In retrospect, we're starting to see and we've seen for quite a while now the patterns that
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these aren't as safe as they were projected to be. So that's my job.
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Look at the pathophysiology, look at the exact patterns.
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Look at the blood patterns, look at the markers, look at the concerning things that
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aren't being talked about when you mix medicine and politics, get politics.
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So when we have politicians telling us what
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we should be doing or what the science is.
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I get very frustrated because
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the scientists are the ones quietly seeing what's happening.
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And then we get censored or canceled when we speak the truth
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of the patterns that are undeniable.
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《Del Bigtree》What are those patterns before I, before we can, let's talk about the vaccine for a second.
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Because a lot of the conversations we've had on the Highwires about this spike protein, right?
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We could this 29 my understanding,
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29 proteins on this virus. You could have gone for other things
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that if we weaken the virus in some place, poke a hole in it.
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Maybe we killed the whole virus,
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but they didn't just grab any protein. They just didn't grab some side protein.
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They kind of grabbed a doozy. You want to take me through that?
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And why perhaps this? Maybe I shouldn't even be called a vaccine.
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《Ryan Cole》Yeah. So the spike itself
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in animal models, if you
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take the spike
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with the rest of the body of the virus gone, just the spike alone.
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And inject it into animal models,
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we know that that spike alone can induce vascular disease, pulmonary disease, brain disease,
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disease throughout the body. So the spike ends up
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being the inflammatory aspect of the virus.
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And now we selected a vaccine
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or a gene sequence
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that literally codes for the spike. So,
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is the spike of toxin is the question.
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I know that once that spike is given in the arm,
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it doesn't stay there. Studies show that the spike does circulate
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and the S1 fragment of this spike can cross the blood brain barrier.
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The S1 fragment can cause the inflammatory patterns.
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It induces the inflammation.
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So we literally did pick
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the wrong part of the virus.
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To your point earlier on antibody dependent enhancement.
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In some of the studies, I think was an article in nature, they said
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we should really focus on the receptor binding domain, just that little
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part where the virus binds and not the whole spike.
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And then we could avoid some of these enhancement reactions.
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Instead, they said, yeah, we should do that. Let's just do the whole spike.
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And I kind of scratched my head, and I thought,
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well, you know, because if those antibodies had escaped just the receptor binding domain,
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then you just have a few antibodies, and it would have become a nonentity.
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But there you're showing that spike protein, that spike literally is what induces disease.
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And so without that ball of the virus,
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there is that spike is binding.
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It is inducing that inflammatory pattern.
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And we can see some of the same cytokine patterns in the blood.
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We can see some of the same inflammatory patterns, the D-dimers,
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the Elevated C-Reactive Protein (CRP)
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just from the spike produced by the genetic sequence shots.
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《Del Bigtree》So, in essence, the disease is the spike.
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And we are injecting a vaccine full of
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message to tell our body to
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fill us with this disease, the spike protein, this toxic
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element that causes the problem.
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So when people think of a vaccine, they think I'm getting some dead version
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of the virus or some attenuated version that can't hurt me
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so that I can protect myself against the dangerous infection that I could possibly get.
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But really, it seems that we're injecting people
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with more spike protein, the dangerous part of the virus, then they would get in a natural infection. Right?
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You're actually giving yourself an overload of the worst part of this virus.
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《Ryan Cole》Yeah. And this is a good point because we're giving the sequence that makes that toxic part.
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But even in the SARS-CoV-1 and MERS studies,
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they used an inert spike. It wasn't a genetic sequence.
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But still, because of the nature of this family of viruses
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and how they slowly genetically drift
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when you get that exposure to a variant of the virus.
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It's still just that protein
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that induces the enhanced reaction.
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So even if it were just a traditional just protein vaccine,
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the concern is the shape changes, and then it escapes our immunity.
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So not even just the potential dangers that we're seeing in the side effects that we're seeing
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from the present shots, the genetic sequence ones.
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But even historically, so even if we were using a more traditional vaccine,
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we're taking the wrong approach to a wrong
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viral family that we've known the history of this viral family.
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And we could have predicted it. Now, to your point, we are seeing these same inflammatory patterns,
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because of that shape change in that spike.
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The new variant, as Delta phase
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is going to burst and take it is a wild fire. We're going to see it go away here in six to eight weeks, and then;
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hopefully we'll get a lot more natural immunity. That's good. Hopefully we can save those who are going to be;
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in fact, badly
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at high risk. You look at the Oxford study in Vietnam that showed
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a 250 fold increase of virus in the vaccinated
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over those who are unvaccinated and that's highly concerning.
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So really, we need to be honest with the population said, great,
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you got your back. You feel comfortable. We need to be honest and say,
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you're still at risk. You're still a candidate for early treatment, so we can save you.
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Same thing to those who
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are refusing the vaccine we need to focus on.
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Look, there early treatments you know be a monoclonal antibody treatments, be it
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a lot of the drugs that shall not be named. Shall we say that
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there are plenty of them, and it's a multidrug approach, and
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very efficacious.
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But I think we do need to really step back and say, look,
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we know what's causing the damage.
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Let's use some logic and say, game over.
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This is not the approach we need to be taking.
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We're damaging individuals when we thought
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we were doing something good
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and maybe some people had fewer symptoms.
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It's hard to say because we went through variants that were different.
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So doing a statistical analysis of that, it's very difficult to be honest about.
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So...
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《Del Bigtree》All right. So let's do this because our audience
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has gotten used to. We geek out a little bit here on the science.
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And so I want you to take me and you've sent some slides over.
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Take us inside the microscope and what you're looking at,
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so that people can really see what is this spike protein doing
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when we look at it through a microscope?
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What are the things that you're seeing? The types of illnesses that we're really concerned about?
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《Ryan Cole》Okey-dokey. so,
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Number 1, the vascular disease.
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Number 2, the vascular disease north through the bastards. There are...
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《Del Bigtree》There are real all the slides. And you can talk to that.
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《Ryan Cole》So this one is borrowed from the Salk Institute study.
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One on the left, you see a glowing blood vessel.
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That little circle in the middle of the little channel inside the vessel.
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And then the cell body is all kind of that flowed purple to the right,
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on the left hand side, there used see,
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just very crisp, clean lines. Those represent your mitochondria.
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And then on the right side again, this is a study with
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only a spike protein of the virus. You see those mitochondria
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fragmented and falling apart.
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Because the spike is inducing
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cytokines in inflammatory reaction.
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That cell and the powerhouse of your cells, mitochondria
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are getting fragmented, attacked and denaturing.
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So that fatigue that
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MELAS, that people get. That's one of the side effects of the disease as well as from the shot.
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So that's one example
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on that cellular level where the spike is doing damage.
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《Del Bigtree》And if you wipe out your mitochondria, you're in trouble. That's the energy of your cells. Right?
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That's what this keeps you alive. Okay. Next, we listen to this.
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《Ryan Cole》Next one, on the left hand side.
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You see these nice, wide open white spaces.
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plenty of room to move air in and out of those nice wide open spaces.
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the vaccine and the spike protein,
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all that purple, you see there, that's all inflammation.
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by all those inflammatory cells infiltrating into that lung tissue.
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you hear about in the news that ground-glass is really, really representing
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micro clots and early scarring in those portions of the lungs.
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《Del Bigtree》So let me ask you a question. Are we looking at tissue is coming from autopsies,
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or is this from mice or what is it we're looking at right now?
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《Ryan Cole》A little bit of both. I have
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several autopsies here now, post vaccine, and we're doing sequence analysis.
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We're doing protein analysis. We'll publish these once I have enough of them;
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like Dr. Shermer did in Germany,
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where he published his 40
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patient autopsy to the which he at 30% to 40% of them were vaccine deaths.
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And of course, the media attacks him when he says that.
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the markers to look for the spike protein alone, the whole virus;
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antibodies. So we can tease out
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what's being deposited. And we can tease out what kind of inflammatory cells.
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are the ones looking at the actual
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mechanisms, that's why we report it. We say, look;
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nobody wants any death to be from a vaccine.
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And they always say these are not the droids you're looking
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for. Nobody gets hurt or dies from the vaccine. That's not true.
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It's...
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absolutely not true.
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So we need to be scientifically cautious.
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And we need to be scientifically honest. We need more autopsies.
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I mean the scant number of autopsies that have been done,
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13,000 plus deaths in the US in varies 21,000 plus in the EU.
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And here we have just a smattering and only one. There you go. Yeah.
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13,000 deaths in the US.
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And as of June, we had one post vaccine reported autopsy in the entire literature,
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which is mind boggling. Yeah.
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In the US, it's mind boggling
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that we're not doing science. We're spending a lot of money on advertising. Get a shot, get a shot.
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《Del Bigtree》How do you explain that? If you want to explain that for me?
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Because we're under the impression the NIH has got billions of dollars right?
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There are a bunch of guys that love their jobs, love to investigate disease, love invest. What's going on?
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You have this giant pile. It's the highest rate of deaths ever reported from a vaccine.
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It now looks like it's going to overcome
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every vaccine report of deaths, all of them
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put together over the last 20 years. In six months, this vaccine has decimated those numbers.
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And yet you're telling me when they're talking about an experimental product, that the emergency use
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they authorize it to give to totally innocent people.
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When those innocent people start piling up in morgues,
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they are not doing any autopsies. Can you explain that to me?
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What the logic or the thinking or what you believe
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would be the reasoning for the agencies that are supposed to care about our health;
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not doing the obvious science that should be being done.
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《Ryan Cole》I wish I knew. It's really frustrating from a science point of view,
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literally billions of dollars available.
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Our children's, grandchildren's, tax dollars. And we're not investigating this.
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We should be treating it like the French law system.
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We have a new product on the market. It should be guilty till proven innocent.
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And we're not taking that approach. Every single adverse reaction,
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every single death post vaccine should be a top seat.
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That would be real science.
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And why we're not doing that?
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A colleague, Dr. Macola, down in Texas. He had a patient pass just
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yesterday, and he requested the autopsy. The coroner refused.
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And I scratched my head as to
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why aren't we doing this? Because that's how we learn.
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That's how we learn what's happening in the body, what those secondary reactions like in those my studies and whatnot.
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You cannot find, what you're not looking for. And maybe they don't want us to find it.
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I don't know. It's not science in this day and age
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to not be doing those basic principle research examinations,
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because that's how we learn. And if we
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don't do that, then we're doomed to continue down the same pathway;
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and cause potentially more damage. And we take an oath in medicine to do no harm.
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So if these are harmful, we need to prove it. If they're not;
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Great, let's prove that either way,
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let's be neutral. But at least be the observer and come to a conclusion that's based on
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real data and real examination.
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《Del Bigtree》I love what you said, and I absolutely agree. I've been calling it the scientific method.
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I said I got interviewed by a television station out of
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the UK and they said, our problem with you
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is that you seem to do your show based on the assumption that the vaccine is dangerous;
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instead of the assumption that it's safe. And I said, oh, yeah, there's
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a term for that. It's called the scientific method. My job and a scientist job, even beyond that.
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But as a journalist, same thing is to challenge and
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put up real questions, real posit, real problems and theories,
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especially based on animal trials where the animals were dying.
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We're not pulling it out of thin air. You should be able to dress how you've overcome these problems.
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That's our job is to challenge,
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not to just go woo who and have pom Poms;
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and have the FDA telling us before we even look at this product, we're planning on rushing it out to the public and giving it
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authorization and ultimately approval.
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sort of crazy is in some of these cases, they may not be doing autopsies,
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but they're kind of admitting it's a one of the things that's so problematic is;
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the youth, right? This idea of myocarditis
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the swelling of the heart. Can you sort of take me into that and what you're seeing there?
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《Ryan Cole》Yeah. And this is unfortunate.
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Children's immune systems are different than adult immune systems.
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to children as they're giving to adults.
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at a higher rate than young females were seeing inflammation of the heart.
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In some of the mammal models, they showed that
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within some of the white blood cells that are infiltrating the heart, they're finding spike and sequence.
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in the heart and the sac around the heart so few statistically look at that
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number of children that passed from Covid last year, most of which
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had comorbidities.
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So here on your right side with the red arrows,
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that's the sac that lines the heart.
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That's inflammation surrounding that heart.
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over 10, 12, 15 kids
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that have died of a heart attack already post these shots.
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all that white that you see on that left hand side where the blue arrows are;
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that's inflammation swelling the heart. And you hear about
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inflammation and the heart enlarging
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and over 400 children. And again, these are highly underreported.
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Once the heart is damaged, the scarring
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happens after the inflammation.
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Heart doesn't heal with new heart cells that heals with scar.
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you are literally there on your left hand side,
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all those blue dots, that inflammation and all the pink, those are the fibers of the heart.
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blue gray, that scar healing,
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that scars starting to form and that scar is left.
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chronic heart failure over time. There's no such thing as mild, mild carditis;
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when the heart is inflamed, that is a serious condition for a long time.
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then who passed from Covid.
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to what we think we're preventing is disproportionate.
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《Del Bigtree》Incredible. Summing it all up, you're looking at this.
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First of all, I want to thank you for being brave enough
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to speak about these things. We all know that doctors are under amazing pressure.
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you know, as a pathologist, someone that's sitting here. Obviously, you're taking great risk,
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which is crazy that it's even a risk
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to talk about what you're actually seeing
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in patients, in autopsies, in tissue, in animal studies.
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But when we think about this vaccine now,
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40% of this nation is now going to be under extreme pressure
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by employers, by Airlines to get this vaccine.
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From a scientific point of view, what do you want those people to know
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as they try to figure out how to wrap it with that decision?
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《Ryan Cole》That is a tough decision. And it should never come to this.
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Especially now that we have a shot that
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isn't effective against. We have a new virus
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and all that data about efficacy that they keep claiming
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it doesn't apply. Even that
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approval that came through the other day.
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It wouldn't have even met threshold for EA approval. I want these people to
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stand for bodily integrity.
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We need to push back like they're doing in France. We need to
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push back like they're doing in other nations. This is about health freedom.
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This is about physical integrity. Nobody should be
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mandated to take something for the which the side effect is death.
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That is just not moral. It is not ethical. It is not scientific.
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It is not right
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and your body your choice. If you're fully informed and you feel like you need it,
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I don't judge anyone one way or the other, but
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fully informed consent is what you need. We're not getting that to the degree that we need.
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People need to be allowed to have their bodily integrity,
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and these mandates need to go away.
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It's not even the right shot for the right virus anymore, even if it did work.
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And so we need to pivot and shift
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and focus on early treatments,
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focus on better therapies, focus on earlier interventions,
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focus on safer shots that
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maybe target different proteins. But;
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at this point, we need to be scientifically honest,
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and we need to allow every individual to have
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that choice for his or herself.
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《Del Bigtree》I appreciate those are wise words, but thank you for taking us into the details
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because it's super interesting to look at what's actually happening in the cells. The idea of scarring
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on all these children. We've heard the CDC say exactly that.
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Well, there were mild cases of myocarditis,
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as you've said, and other doctors have said.
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There's no such thing. You are creating scars that will never go away.
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We have no idea what the long term implications are of this.
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Most of these kids go into the hospitals. A lot of the athletes that can't compete in sports. Now they're on heart medications.
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For a group, by the way, of individuals that aren't really even at risk for this illness.
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Incredibly high success rate
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and really super low, even symptomatic conditions.
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I hope that we can have you on again.
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There's so much to talk about, especially since you're deep in the middle of it.
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But I want to thank you for being brave. I want to thank you for standing up for science, because that's what I really think
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is under attack here. Real science is to attack. We've lost.
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As you said, the principal of science should be more like
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the French legal system. It is guilty and to proven innocent,
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especially when it's being tested.
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There should been the number one conversation FDA,
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not the safety trials done by five that is trying to put a bow
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on their products is going to make them tens of billions of dollars. But;
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thank you for your work. Thank you for taking us so clearly through that.
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And I hope that we'll get a chance to talk to you again soon.
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《Ryan Cole》Thank you Del, appreciate it.
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《Del Bigtree》All right. Take care.